Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/04/2004 01:32 PM Senate L&C

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          SB 323-WORKERS COMPENSATION AND CONTRACTORS                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR CON BUNDE announced SB 323 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  RALPH SEEKINS,  sponsor, explained  that it  revises the                                                               
workers'  compensation  acts as  it  applies  to contractors  and                                                               
subcontractors.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The two principal modifications  are really as follows:                                                                    
     First,  the  responsibility  for  payment  of  workers'                                                                    
     compensation is  extended up the chain  of contracts to                                                                    
     include  project owners.  Secondly, injured  parties in                                                                    
     receipt  of benefits  under  the Workers'  Compensation                                                                    
     Act  would be  barred from  double dipping  via a  tort                                                                    
     liability  claim.  Under  AS 23.30.045(a),  an  injured                                                                    
     employee  only has  recourse  to workers'  compensation                                                                    
     benefits  against his  immediate employer  and, if  the                                                                    
     employer  is a  subcontractor,  against the  contractor                                                                    
     who retained the subcontractor.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  proposed legislation  allows recourse  for payment                                                                    
     of  compensation  benefits  against project  owners  as                                                                    
     well as contractors  and subcontractors. This extension                                                                    
     of  the   rights  of  injured  employees   is  sensible                                                                    
     inasmuch as  the project owner  is the  beneficial user                                                                    
     of  the  work performed  by  the  injured employee.  It                                                                    
     should be noted  that a project owner  does not include                                                                    
     individuals   who   have   engaged  the   services   of                                                                    
     contractors to build or renovate a residential home.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Finally,   the   proposed   legislation   extends   the                                                                    
     exclusivity provision set forth  in AS 23.30.055 to all                                                                    
     parties  in the  contracting claim  chain related  to a                                                                    
     project.  This includes  the  employer  of the  injured                                                                    
     employee  and those  parties that  are upstream  in the                                                                    
     chain  of contracts  from the  employer of  the injured                                                                    
     employee. In other words, if  an injured employee works                                                                    
     for  a  subcontractor,   then  the  subcontractor,  the                                                                    
     contractor  and project  owner would  be  free of  tort                                                                    
     liability so long as the  injured employee receives the                                                                    
     benefits set forth in  the Alaska Workers' Compensation                                                                    
     Act.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     SB 323  will encourage  all parties participating  in a                                                                    
     project   to  identify   and   enforce  strict   safety                                                                    
     standards for  the benefit of  all workers  rather than                                                                    
     deflecting responsibility through  the use of indemnity                                                                    
     agreements as is the common  practice currently. At the                                                                    
     same  time, it  insures that  the injured  workers will                                                                    
     receive  all   benefits  available  under   the  Alaska                                                                    
     Workers   Compensation  Act.   It   is  intended,   Mr.                                                                    
     Chairman,  to eliminate  double  dipping,  but to  make                                                                    
     sure that every employee on  a project is covered under                                                                    
     the act.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE explained that this would expand the requirement to                                                                 
carry workers' compensation insurance from the subcontractor and                                                                
the contractor to the project manager.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS replied that everyone in the up chain must make                                                                 
sure that every worker on the job is covered no matter who they                                                                 
work for.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE asked  if currently  you're a  contractor, you  need                                                               
workers' compensation.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS replied yes, for employees.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE   said  that  subcontractors  might   not  have  the                                                               
insurance  because  they might  not  be  covered by  the  owner's                                                               
insurance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  responded that a  subcontractor might be  a sole                                                               
proprietorship  and might  say  he doesn't  need  to buy  workers                                                               
compensation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE  wanted  to  go  the other  way  and  asked  if  the                                                               
contractor has a policy, does the  project manager have to have a                                                               
policy as well.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS  replied  that   the  project  manager  has  the                                                               
responsibility to make sure that they are covered.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     If that  means they have  to carry the policy,  I guess                                                                    
     they would  have to.  It's a  downstream responsibility                                                                    
     to make sure  that every worker that's  on that project                                                                    
     is  covered.... We're  trying  to  avoid the  situation                                                                    
     that  does  exist  where  someone   is  injured  and  a                                                                    
     subcontractor,  for example,  is  saying that  he is  a                                                                    
     sole proprietorship  and doesn't need it.  Then they're                                                                    
     injured and they go and  say we were really an employee                                                                    
     and goes to the board  saying we want coverage. In many                                                                    
     cases that happens. [END OF TAPE]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR SEEKINS continued:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     That means that  the project owner, before  he can hire                                                                    
     that subcontractor or contractor  has to make sure that                                                                    
     those  people  are  covered  or  carry  that  coverage,                                                                    
     themselves.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE said in all  likelihood, the project manager wouldn't                                                               
hire contractors who don't carry  insurance or would require some                                                               
kind of  proof of  coverage rather  than purchase  the insurance,                                                               
themselves.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS   said  project   managers  generally   sign  an                                                               
indemnification   agreement.  They   don't  care   because  their                                                               
negligence can  go right back  to the contractor. Because  of the                                                               
way courts  have ruled in  some cases, project owners  don't even                                                               
want  to  get  into  whether  the  contractor  is  having  safety                                                               
meetings, etc., because then, they are knowingly involved.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY STEVENS  asked what kind of proof  would be required                                                               
so a project owner would not have to purchase it.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS replied, "Through certificates of insurance."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked why people  who build a residential home are                                                               
excluded from the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS answered:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I am excluding homeowners who  may hire someone to come                                                                    
     in  to fix  their driveway  or  fix their  roof or  fix                                                                    
     their  bathroom   leak  from  being  included   in  the                                                                    
     definition of project owner.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if they would still have tort liability.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS said  they are  looking primarily  at commercial                                                               
applications.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PAM LABOLLE,  President, Alaska  State Chamber  of Commerce,                                                               
said  this  issue was  brought  forward  by her  membership.  Her                                                               
personal experience in this area  is limited, but she promised to                                                               
take any questions she couldn't answer to the group.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     We are  in support, obviously, of  this legislation....                                                                    
     This has  been done in  several other states.  The risk                                                                    
     of injury to employees engaged  in work on a project is                                                                    
     the same  regardless of whether the  employer works for                                                                    
     a subcontractor,  the contractor or the  project owner.                                                                    
     The immediate  employer and other  project participants                                                                    
     are  obligated   to  an  injured   employee's  workers'                                                                    
     compensation  benefits regardless  of fault  in causing                                                                    
     the  injury. So,  all  project  participants should  be                                                                    
     free of  tort liability. The project  participants take                                                                    
     an integrated  approach to  completion of  the project;                                                                    
     they  are a  part of  it. Therefore,  the price  of the                                                                    
     insurance  is worked  into  the  contract when  someone                                                                    
     contracts  to build  something for  someone.... So  the                                                                    
     project  owner  is,  in essence,  paying  part  of  the                                                                    
     workers' compensation insurance. In  the event a worker                                                                    
     is  injured,  he or  she  is  entitled to  receive  the                                                                    
     compensation   benefits  regardless   of  fault.   This                                                                    
     includes situations where no one  is at fault and where                                                                    
     the  injured  employee,   himself,  is  exclusively  at                                                                    
     fault. In exchange for  accepting liability payments of                                                                    
     workers'  compensation  benefits regardless  of  fault,                                                                    
     the injured  employees need an  employer and  all other                                                                    
     parties who are potentially  liable for the payments of                                                                    
     workers'   compensation  benefits   should  enjoy   the                                                                    
     immunity from tort claims.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Evidently,  in  Alaska  law, project  owners  were  not                                                                    
     historically liable  for injuries  caused by  action or                                                                    
     inaction of independent  contractors they retained. For                                                                    
     example, when  the State of Alaska  retains a qualified                                                                    
     contractor as an independent  contractor to construct a                                                                    
     roadway, the  state should not  be liable  for injuries                                                                    
     suffered by  the employees of  the contractor.  In that                                                                    
     situation, by contract,  the contractor represents that                                                                    
     he has the necessary expertise  to build the road, that                                                                    
     he  has  the  necessary  tools and  equipment  and  the                                                                    
     experienced workmen  to complete the work.  Because the                                                                    
     contractor,  not the  state, prosecutes  the work,  the                                                                    
     state should  be free of  court liability in  the event                                                                    
     that an  employee of the  contractor is injured  in his                                                                    
     course of work.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     In  Alaska, the  courts  have substantially  diminished                                                                    
     the independent contractor rule  by adoption of what is                                                                    
     referred  to as  the retained  control doctrine.  Under                                                                    
     the   doctrine,  parties   other  than   an  employee's                                                                    
     immediate  employer  can  be liable  in  tort  for  any                                                                    
     injury to  an employee of an  independent contractor if                                                                    
     the party retains any amount  of control over the work,                                                                    
     including the  right to review the  contractor's safety                                                                    
     practices. That's  one of the  benefits that  this bill                                                                    
     would  bring about.  Right now,  the  project owner  is                                                                    
     better to have hands-off  control over the contractors,                                                                    
     including their  safety practices, in order  to protect                                                                    
     themselves. With  the passage of this  legislation, the                                                                    
     benefit would be that they  would have more of a reason                                                                    
     and it would be to their  benefit to make sure that all                                                                    
     safety practices are followed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Secondly,  the  Alaska  Workers'  Compensation  Act  is                                                                    
     intended  to provide  injured  workers with  reasonable                                                                    
     compensation  for their  work-related injuries  without                                                                    
     regard  or   fault.  If  the  levels   of  compensation                                                                    
     benefits are  not adequate to fully  compensate injured                                                                    
     workers,  then  the  amount  and  type  of  recoverable                                                                    
     benefits  should  be   reviewed.  However,  an  injured                                                                    
     worker  should  not  be  allowed  to  recover  workers'                                                                    
     compensation  benefits and  then be  allowed to  assert                                                                    
     tort claims for that  same work-related injury. Injured                                                                    
     employees  should be  compensated only  once for  their                                                                    
     work-related  injuries  and the  Workers'  Compensation                                                                    
     system has been set up specifically to do just that.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Third, the  tort claims based  on the  retained control                                                                    
     doctrine  burden the  court system  by allowing  claims                                                                    
     under  the workers'  compensation  system and  separate                                                                    
     claims in state  Superior Court based on  tort law. The                                                                    
     proposed   amendment   would  encourage   all   parties                                                                    
     participating  in a  project  to  identify and  enforce                                                                    
     strict safety standards for the  benefit of all workers                                                                    
     while at  the same  time insuring that  injured workers                                                                    
     will receive  all benefits  available under  the Alaska                                                                    
     Workers'  Compensation   Act.  Job  safety   should  be                                                                    
     everyone's main  concern and the proposed  amendment is                                                                    
     the best  way to meet the  goal while at the  same time                                                                    
     protecting the injured workers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked her if she  was contending that if this passed,                                                               
a  project  owner  would  demand   proof  under  potential  legal                                                               
liability   for  loss   that   their   contractor  has   workers'                                                               
compensation and then  the contractor would have  the same demand                                                               
on subcontractors. He wondered about the double coverage.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LABOLLE replied  that is  her understanding,  but she  would                                                               
check.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE said  if that  were  true, he  thought that  project                                                               
owners should  want to  have some  kind of  workers' compensation                                                               
coverage as  well, in the  event someone was fraudulent  in their                                                               
representation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  indicated to Ms.  LaBolle that he  was addressing                                                               
his remarks  to the  people who  do have  expertise. He  had some                                                               
issues with her statement from the State Chamber, especially the                                                                
part about Alaska law and wanted their response.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I'll begin  by saying that  I read both the  cases that                                                                    
     the Alaska law  section of your report  refers to, both                                                                    
     the  Martinson vs  Arco case  and the  Miloso vs  State                                                                    
     case. The  real issue I  have with some of  the remarks                                                                    
     in here  specifically with respect to  safety practices                                                                    
     is this.  The assertion is -  in this section -  that a                                                                    
     project owner can  be liable in tort for  any injury to                                                                    
     an employee  of an independent contractor  if the party                                                                    
     retains any  amount of control over  the work including                                                                    
     the right to review the contractor's safety practices.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     After I read  Martinson and after I read  Miloso, I was                                                                    
     left  with the  belief that  that's just  not true,  at                                                                    
     least  under those  two  cases.  That's absolutely  not                                                                    
     true. Indeed,  the Martinson  case says  that everybody                                                                    
     does have a common law  duty to provide a safe worksite                                                                    
     to  independent contractor  employees, if  the employer                                                                    
     supplies or controls the  worksite. That's the retained                                                                    
     control. So, if  you supply the warehouse  and you know                                                                    
     there's a  vat of poisonous waste  inside the worksite,                                                                    
     you  should probably  put  a sign  on  there that  says                                                                    
     don't weld here, don't drill  here, don't get in behind                                                                    
     this poisonous vat.  The Martinson case goes  on to say                                                                    
     that  there  are  bright   lines  of  what  constitutes                                                                    
     retained  control. It  further  says  that an  employer                                                                    
     does not  retain control if the  employer only reserves                                                                    
     the right to inspect the  work to see that the contract                                                                    
     specifications   are  met   -  while   the  independent                                                                    
     contractor  controls how  and  when the  work is  done.                                                                    
     Then it  says an  employer does  retain control  if the                                                                    
     employer retains the right to  direct the manner of the                                                                    
     independent   contractor's   performance   or   assumes                                                                    
     affirmative duties with respect to safety.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     So, when  I read  in this synopsis  of Alaska  law that                                                                    
     you  can be  sued  in court  for  simply reviewing  the                                                                    
     contractor's  safety practices,  I  find the  statement                                                                    
     almost  directly in  opposition to  that in  Martinson.                                                                    
     So, I would  appreciate it if you can go  on to whoever                                                                    
     wrote that and  come back and say no, no,  no, here's a                                                                    
     better read  on that.  So, I guess  my question  is are                                                                    
     there  other cases  that I'm  unaware of  besides these                                                                    
     two that you've cited that  I've gone ahead and read or                                                                    
     is it simply  the position of the author  of this paper                                                                    
     that these  cases really  do stand  for what's  here in                                                                    
     this write up. Thank you.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LABOLLE said she would take that back to the author.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  said this bill makes  project owners responsible                                                               
to make sure that  any of the workers that are  hired either by a                                                               
contractor  or  by  a subcontractor  are  covered  with  workers'                                                               
compensation insurance regardless of  the area of responsibility,                                                               
because that's a point that can be argued on both sides.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I've talked to  some of the attorneys on  both sides of                                                                    
     the issue  as well. But  in this  case, as I  read this                                                                    
     bill  and the  way  we've put  this  bill together,  it                                                                    
     would now require  that every employee on  that site be                                                                    
     covered  with workers'  compensation [insurance].  Am I                                                                    
     correct?                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LABOLLE replied that is her understanding.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS asked if that is good public policy or bad.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. LABOLLE replied that she thought that is good public policy.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  SEEKINS continued  his thought  saying that  it protects                                                               
the  employee  at whatever  level.  He  has had  experience  with                                                               
people who  have said  they don't want  any employees;  all their                                                               
employees  were going  to  be  subcontractors with  subcontractor                                                               
agreements - the  idea being that they don't want  to have to pay                                                               
workers' compensation  insurance. He asked  if she had  seen that                                                               
happen.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. LABOLLE replied yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  said this bill absolutely  makes that impossible                                                               
to happen.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LABOLLE replied that is her understanding.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS said:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     That's  what we're  after. Whether  we argue  where the                                                                    
     line  of  responsibility  is,   what  we're  trying  to                                                                    
     protect here, Mr. Chairman, is  the employer who may be                                                                    
     forced  into a  subcontractor situation  because that's                                                                    
     the  kind of  scumbag  he  might be  working  for as  a                                                                    
     contractor. We've all seen it  done.... The intent here                                                                    
     is  to  say  everyone  is   covered  and  you  have  an                                                                    
     exclusive remedy.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  said he  had personal knowledge  of people  who have                                                               
been  creative  in  defining subcontractors  to  avoid  insurance                                                               
payments.  He  said  there  was  a  question  earlier  about  the                                                               
relationship of  the homeowner contracting  to have  some repairs                                                               
or to have  a house built; he saw headshaking  from the insurance                                                               
section of the audience.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS responded:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Mr. Chairman, I wouldn't have  any problem with that as                                                                    
     long  as the  homeowner is  willing to  make sure  that                                                                    
     they provide workers' compensation  for somebody on the                                                                    
     same basis that a project owner would.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MIKE LESSMEIER,  State Farm Insurance, said  he practiced law                                                               
in  this state  for  almost  25 years  and  could answer  Senator                                                               
French's question.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Right now under the law, if  you hire a plumber to come                                                                    
     into your  house or  an electrician  or even  a general                                                                    
     contractor to build  your house for you,  it's hard for                                                                    
     me to see  how you would have any  liability to someone                                                                    
     that  was injured  on the  job. The  analysis that  you                                                                    
     talked about  when you reviewed  those two  cases would                                                                    
     probably  be  the  analysis to  go  through.  In  other                                                                    
     words, you would  look to see if  the homeowner retains                                                                    
     sufficient control  over the  details of the  work that                                                                    
     is performed. I've rarely seen  that kind of liability;                                                                    
     I've rarely  even seen the  attempt to  make homeowners                                                                    
     liable under  those sorts of circumstances.  One of our                                                                    
     concerns in  looking at  this bill  was whether  it was                                                                    
     intended to  cover homeowners and  people, but  it does                                                                    
     not.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE thanked  him  and  asked if  anyone  else wanted  to                                                               
testify on SB 323.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVE DILLARD,  321 Construction, asked, "Why can't  we make a                                                               
homeowner liable  for whoever  has worked on  his house  to build                                                               
that house?"                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  replied, "I'm  not sure  why we  can't. I'm  sure we                                                               
could. The question might be why would you want to, but."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DILLARD replied:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Because  technically,  a  homeowner  can  call  up  job                                                                    
     service  and  have  the  people   come  out  and  start                                                                    
     building the house  and if he pays over  $600, he's got                                                                    
     to  hold  back  federal   income  tax  and  stuff,  but                                                                    
     technically,  he  doesn't  have  to  cover  them  under                                                                    
     liability workers'  compensation. Why wouldn't  we want                                                                    
     him to cover that person?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BUNDE answered  that he  would have  to ask  the insurance                                                               
industry  again,  but  he  suspected   there  would  be  personal                                                               
liability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS inserted:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I   wouldn't   have   a  problem   holding   homeowners                                                                    
     responsible  provided -  but here  again we're  getting                                                                    
     into a situation  where when I hire someone  to work on                                                                    
     my  house,  they're  a sole  proprietorship  and  under                                                                    
     current law, as  I understand it, as long  as I haven't                                                                    
     set a  booby trap  for them some  way or  another, they                                                                    
     are the  expert in what  a safe workplace would  be and                                                                    
     I'm just a homeowner who  may not be capable, or should                                                                    
     not  even be  capable  of, being  able  to assess  that                                                                    
     responsibility.  But the  professional holding  himself                                                                    
     out    as    professional     has    that    additional                                                                    
     responsibility....                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DILLARD said  he could build one house a  year as a homeowner                                                               
and not have to  pay any of that. His son and  wife could build a                                                               
house a  year, too. He thought  everyone should be able  to build                                                               
his  own house,  but he  didn't see  why they  shouldn't have  to                                                               
take liability for  people who were hired to work  on it the same                                                               
way a professional builder has to.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  said, "I think if  you're going to have  a potential                                                               
homeowner have  workers' compensation, well, why  would they ever                                                               
have  a general  contractor  then, because  that's just  doubling                                                               
their expense?"                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE said this bill would  be set aside for a future date.                                                               
There being no further business  to come before the committee, he                                                               
adjourned the meeting at 2:50 p.m.                                                                                              

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